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Sparrington · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject:

Hmmm probably not.

When I've seen it on stage it's usually some Santa look-a-like in a wig playing the Judge, Sweeney's an ogre annd Johanna and Anthony are blatantly in their 30s!!!!

I think it's the shot when he's looking up at her window with the flowers...it just, well, SLAYS ME every time!!!!!

omega13 · Diagnosed Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 165

I agree with Jacksl.
The fact that it's Alan Rickman who plays the part of the judge is why part of the audience will like the character and fell sympathetic towards him. But being totally objective, as I said a while ago, the character is awfull, despicable and really evil. And what Todd did to him, well, he had it coming, to be honest.
The same goes for Severus Snape: many of the HP fans like the character just because it's Alan who portrays him in the movies, not for the literary character itself.
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jacksl · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject:

I'm still not sure about Snape. It was studying him that got me interested in Alan so I shouldn't complain....but, I don't think he's a bad person.
He lacks a lot of social skills, it's true. I feel desperately sorry for him, really. He is snide and sarcastic...but not evil. He does things for the greater good, not for himself. Whereas Judge Turpin is a pig! He is thinking purely of himself and what he can gain out of a situation, and he doesn't care whose life he ruins along the way.....
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omega13 · Diagnosed Joined: 15 Jan 2007 Posts: 165

No, no, no, I haven't explain myself very well...
I do like Snape. In fact, he's my principal reason to read HP books...What I was trying to say is that a lot of people who considered the literary character an evil jerk, when they saw the movies changed their opinion about him just for the solely reason that the character is played on screen by mr. Rickman. But not for reading the books.
Don't know if I made myself clear now... Wink

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Magenta · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject:

Eustacia · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject:

Turpin just takes what he wants and terrorizes others to keep it. Granted, Victorian men were raised in the belief that women were either saints or whores, but Turpin is the worst example of that kind of sexism - as the saint Lucy was unreachable, he decided to treat her like a whore, or even worse. Men treating women like their property, upper class treating lower class like vermin - it's what Turpin stands for, and that's the most despicable thing.
Young Snape may have had a bit of that attitude in him in the beginning, thinking that Voldemort would kill Harry and James and Lily would be spared and would be crying at his shoulder. "A pious vulture ... who with a gesture of his claw... removed the barber from his plate..." But personally I think there are lines he would not have crossed even as a Death Eater. Slytherins are very proud, and there is nothing like dignity in Judge Turpin, raping the mother and then lusting after the daughter.
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jacksl · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject:

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jacksl · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject:

That's cool! you did better than I could do in ANY other language!!XX Smile

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njf61 · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject:

I was fascinated by the character of Snape in the books before we ever saw the 1st movie. My kids and I used to have the on-going good vs. evil discussion about him. And, he's such a mysterious, well thought out character. Although, I didn't think of him as sexy...that's just not in the book.
BUT, when I saw that 1st movie, Shocked

I was like, who is that?!
And, my husband said, it's that guy from Die Hard. So, I looked him up, and I was like, I know him!!! Then I realized I had seen Alan before, several times.
But, Alan really brought Snape alive, and then he (Snape) became more of an obsession. And, he made Snape sexy, as probably thousands of females (of all ages) seems to think, which made you go back to the books and take a 2nd look at the character.
If Snape had no redeeming qualities, no matter how hot Alan is, or how great an actor he is, the character of Snape wouldn't be so fascinating.
To me Judge Turpin is not fascinating, or that sexy (other than the Alan factor), he's just a manipulitive man, who saw what he wanted (in his mind love, but really obsession) and did whatever, destroyed whomever, to get it.
does all that make sense?? just opinion, anyhoo, you all know me, I can't seem to NOT give my opinion on something these days!
Nora
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jacksl · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject:

I know that feeling!! I wish I'd just shut up sometimes!!! Laughing

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